This course is scheduled to be designed in the summer and taught and evaluated in Fall 2006.

Wednesday, August 23, 2006

Course Site(s) Design

Deciding how to best use the technology I have available has been difficult.

I decided
  • I am going to use the Composition I site to provide content and instructions
  • I will be using WebCt Vista for the Discussions, Quizzes, Assignment Submissions, Online Office Hours.

It took me a while to decide how I was going to arrange the course so that the use of the sites was consistent and as uncomplicated as possible. I also wanted to have a specific look and feel to my course site which I was not able to manage on the Vista site:

  • wanted to have the navigation bars (my own creation)
  • Wanted to use templates
  • wanted to have certain information visible to students at all times.

Also, I found myself having to teach the ITV classes delivered to the high schools and since those classes started early (one week before the regular semester), I have had to muddle through the bugs of the pilot. I can already feel that the students are getting frustrated. I can understand why someone would want to work with something over which they have control. We have experienced numerous problems

  • misunderstanding over who was going to enroll students; if they are not enrolled they do not get fed into Vista
  • the feed was not working properly so when courses were created, they were not picked up by the system
  • the feed was not working properly and not all students were being added to the courses even though they were officially registered (worst of all the person in charge of the feed was out on vacation the week when ITV classes began and one week before regular classes were set to begin)
  • some students are in the system but their password does not work properly and there is nothing that I can do to help them but send them to the helpdesk
  • I am delivering to two campuses at the same time but for tracking purposes the students are enrolled in two separate sections; Vista creates two sections for what is really one class; I had to figure out a workaround
  • Lab managers for the schools are not students therefore are not in the system; we had to figure out how to get them entered as users so they could be enrolled in the course; the rules for "visitors" hasn't been set yet, but had to go ahead because classes have started
  • when students reset passwords in the system to access Vista, the new password is sent to a account which most students don't know how to access and for which students need to know a password to enter; so they need a password to get their password
  • helpdesk personnel were not aware we were already using the system and were unprepared to help users who called for help
  • User computers which have pop-up blockers and certain java settings cannot access Vista so computer settings have to be changed and helpdesk currently only is open until 6 pm

Unfortunately, the students are getting frustrated with the technology even before we start with the actual content of the course. I am having to depend on the Composition site more and more. So I am thinking that I will even put instructions on the Composition site and then only use Vista to turn in assignments. I am not completely sure how long it will be before all the problems get ironed out. I imagine that others will not experience as many problems as we did this week since the design of my course depended heavily on having access to Vista during the first week which concentrated on explaining how the technology was going to work (and it didn't).

I included a question on a quiz which asked the students what they were most concerned with and several of them said they were worried that they technology, problems and confusions, was going to hinder their progress in the course.

I expect that we won't have as any problems after the pilot but it is a poor reflection on me, I think. For the students, a problem is always the instructor's fault.

Now that I am using the site (which was originally designed for an online course) for three different sections, I am having to figure out how to redesign so that students know what information is relevant to them. For about two minutes, I considered making a different site for the ITV students but then I decided to try to manage the different sections using one.

Since the online course will not start for another week, I guess I can still change my mind. The problem is that if I change the site, I will also have to change the different videos that I create for the students. Many of the videos will refer to the sites which we are using in class and if I use different sites for different classes that will be confusing for the students.

Also, I realized yesterday that to do research students will have to navigate yet one more site, the library site. The library site uses the netmail password for authentication which complicates things even further. I wondered if there is one way to incorporate all the sites into one. I spoke with Justin in IT and he said that MyLearning (Vista) and the library site can be managed through the TSTC portal. So I think I will direct students to the portal and not to the MyLearning site directly. That means I have to go back and change my introduction video to incorporate those changes. Because not all students in my online course are TSTC students (I have several VCT students), I have to make sure that those students can also have access to the portal. I should have an answer in the next day or two.

A major problem is that I keep changing things around as I realize the different types of technology that students have to use. I know that it will be difficult for the students if they have to remember how to access three to four different sites to be able to do the work for the course. But it is equally difficult for things to change from day to day. TSTC is currently working on having a single sign on but not all systems have been integrated yet. I never imagined that it would be this complex.

My only consolation is that it will be much easier for my faculty when they start using the system.

I am designing the instructional videos so that other faculty members can use them. I decided not to include the my talking head in the videos because of this. I also want to use certain sections of some of my videos for more general videos which other instructors can use.

In fact, the video for Updating MyLearning is one which can be used to show users how to add a channel to the portal. Currently, there is a user manual for the portal but it is over 300 pages long and most people don't even know it is available.

With all of this going on, it is difficult to keep track of what my intial intent for the course was.


Blogger Rich said...

It's important to integrate your design and feel with that of WebCT. We've spoken about this before, but they should be sequenced in such a way to limit different navigational schemes.

Unfortunately, if students are frustrated, you have to work through that. And, perhaps there are ways you can compensate them for that frustration. But, document everything, or ask them to document. Perhaps, for instance, they can be part of the solution rather than the problem; that is, encourage them to tell you about what should happen in the online spaces.

What you're experiencing in a way is the limitations of a CMS like WebCT, and the inability to cater it completely like how one can with a web site. Simple = better. Always. I know you've been working on this. The more simple the less problems.

11:12 AM  
Blogger Rich said...

Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 10:57:31 AM): Hi.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 10:57:36 AM): hello
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 10:57:41 AM): Busy?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 10:57:50 AM): always. But, not more than usual.
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 10:58:04 AM): ah
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 10:58:10 AM): did you have a chance to look at the blog?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 10:58:17 AM): what's up? Did we decide on Thursdays at 11?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 10:58:27 AM): I thought we had?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 10:58:34 AM): k
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 10:58:40 AM): read part of the blog this morning
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 10:58:49 AM): haven't looked at those other two media types
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 10:59:09 AM): what shall we start with?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:00:38 AM): struggling with simplifying sites for students
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:00:57 AM): there are alot of issues right now--did you read that part of the blog?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:01:18 AM): y
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:01:31 AM): the ITV classes are really testing the course site for the online class
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:01:36 AM): oh I bet
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:01:39 AM): that's helpful
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:01:47 AM): first thing is menu items
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:01:55 AM): yes, but their students frustration level is high right now
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:01:56 AM): if there's anything that can be collapsed
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:02:16 AM): ah
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:03:25 AM): I found that I had more in the intro section than I originally planned for
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:03:45 AM): Intro section has also become Intro to technology section
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:04:04 AM): which is something that I had to add
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:04:06 AM): nods
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:04:07 AM): Unfortunately, if students are frustrated, you have to work through that. And, perhaps there are ways you can compensate them for that frustration. But, document everything, or ask them to document.
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:04:33 AM): I thought that having activities and instructions for activities in Vista was a good division
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:04:51 AM): no?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:04:59 AM): now it seems that I will only have the deployment/completion of the activities in Vista
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:05:04 AM): ah
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:05:06 AM): well, students are having trouble accessing
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:05:10 AM): well, students want 1. 2. 3.
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:05:16 AM): and they need instructions to get started
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:05:18 AM): not look for some info here, and others there
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:05:49 AM): Right
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:06:06 AM): so I am going to add the instructions to the Comp site and then a link to Vista
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:06:12 AM): when it is time to submit assignmet
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:06:33 AM): laid out per activity
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:06:35 AM): one strategy here....
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:06:40 AM): is with every change you make
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:06:46 AM): even if it's not from students exactly
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:06:49 AM): is to say that it is
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:06:52 AM): to your students
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:07:07 AM): point out that THEY recommended X, and so you now have a new way of sharing the info
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:07:12 AM): that might help them feel better
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:07:30 AM): in the least they recognize how important their feedback is
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:07:39 AM): yes, that is important
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:07:52 AM): keep telling yourself, which you probably are...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:07:54 AM): simple = better
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:08:07 AM): because in online learning systems, that's more often than not the case
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:08:29 AM): I keep having to tell myself that most students don't like to spend hours on a page
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:08:32 AM): like I do
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:08:39 AM): they want in, and then out
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:08:51 AM): yes, am having to work around the institutional settings which has services all over the place
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:08:56 AM): right
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:09:04 AM): yeah, that's an inherent problem with CMSes
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:09:07 AM): so have to consider what other things students will need which I don't really have control over
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:09:12 AM): nods
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:09:16 AM): pluses and minuses
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:09:26 AM): with the quizzes and'll be glad you have webct
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:09:35 AM): but with other things---perhaps a limitation
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:09:47 AM): yes, I can see how that is the case
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:09:59 AM): If I had designed completely in Vista I would have been a basket case
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:10:03 AM): nods
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:10:09 AM): having the outside site really helped
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:10:17 AM): yeah, not the way to go for maximum flexibility
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:10:30 AM): and scaleablility--easier to update, probably
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:10:33 AM): outside
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:10:46 AM): so your classes started this week?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:10:53 AM): the ITV ones
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:11:03 AM): online course starts Sept 5
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:11:05 AM): did you use that opening video?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:11:08 AM): yes
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:11:11 AM): feedback?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:11:41 AM): duh, I didn't plan for any....too late?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:11:57 AM): maybe a survey?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:12:01 AM): short?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:12:47 AM): I was too busy trying to get them access to think about how well the video worked
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:12:58 AM): maybe can plan that in into the online course
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:13:38 AM): not too late
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:13:56 AM): could integrate as part of their journal/blog/whwatever informal writing they're doing, too
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:14:07 AM): or email folk individually--students liket hat
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:14:21 AM): Good idea, they are working on that tomorrow...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:14:26 AM): "just checking up on how the environment is working for you...please be candid..."
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:14:54 AM): anyway, this is somewhat to be expected, Janie
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:14:57 AM): first time through
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:15:18 AM): what is expected? missing things?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:15:23 AM): losing opps?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:15:31 AM): students unclear a little about the environment
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:16:11 AM): yes, I guess it will get better for them
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:16:22 AM): so your plan will be to continue to refine...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:16:26 AM): while getting feedback...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:16:31 AM): and continuing to work on content...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:17:11 AM): thought your first vid was really good
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:17:30 AM): will have to modify to reflect the changes
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:17:41 AM): simple = better
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:17:42 AM):
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:17:51 AM): hope you don't mind; I think it's my job to keep saying that
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:18:07 AM): I like the "as many times as you need to"
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:18:13 AM): on aug 24 vid
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:18:21 AM): making these very time-consuming?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:18:25 AM): I think getting to "simple" is pretty complex
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:18:28 AM): need to be quick for your sanity
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:18:32 AM): yes, absolutely
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:18:52 AM): much more difficult to maximize individual direction or universal design
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:18:55 AM): through simplifying
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:18:59 AM): much better though
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:19:40 AM): I think the students like the videos--several have mentioned them in their emails
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:19:48 AM): not that they like them...but that they are using them
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:20:21 AM): good
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:20:44 AM): if they limit the number of one type of question, then they've done their job
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:20:54 AM): if the questions you get are about content more than logistics, that is
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:21:10 AM): in theory, you can use this video over and over
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:21:17 AM): just slap a different date on the beginning
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:21:36 AM): good faq-like material
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:21:49 AM): have you showed this to your colleagues also using webct?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:21:57 AM): I think I can separate them the use as Discussion tool intro and Submission tool intro
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:22:03 AM): nods
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:22:12 AM): only the DE director, he thought it was cool
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:22:20 AM): ttu media server helping alot
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:22:36 AM): sometimes CMSes look a little different for teachers than they do students; might see if you can get a student test account
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:22:46 AM): nice to hear about the DE director
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:22:49 AM): Vista gives you one automatically
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:22:53 AM): yes; use the server as much as possible
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:22:58 AM): ah, nice
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:23:12 AM):
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:23:23 AM): lets look at the course in Vista
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:23:55 AM): now, may not be possible, but if you get these videos down to 3 or 4 minutes each, that would be better
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:24:07 AM): if you move fast, they can re-play...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:24:33 AM): but, what I like most is the sequencing of material: pedagogy, assignments, logistics
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:24:37 AM): makes sense to students
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:25:35 AM): k
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:25:37 AM): let me know when you get in
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:26:03 AM): can't find server
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:26:24 AM):
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:26:26 AM): sorry
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:26:33 AM): no worries, got it. In
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:26:42 AM): english 1301 20HE
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:27:05 AM): hehf?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:27:33 AM): ITV section numbers
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:28:06 AM): first on course list
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:28:23 AM): yeah, there
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:28:30 AM): the students had an interesting discussion today
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:28:37 AM): some of them really got involved
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:28:47 AM): others still struggling
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:28:49 AM): the introduce yourself?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:28:52 AM): nods
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:28:57 AM): these students also have alot of history
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:29:10 AM): at different campuses now but were in same middle school
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:29:19 AM): ah
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:29:30 AM): will be interesting to get them into discussions cross-campus
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:29:39 AM): these are rival schools
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:29:47 AM): ah, yeah; that will be interesting
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:30:04 AM): one student mentions he wants to go to TTU
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:30:09 AM): in his intro
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:30:11 AM): sign him up
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:30:12 AM):
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:30:23 AM): so, you know, if some students appear in their messages...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:30:29 AM): that they haven't watched one of your vids
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:30:37 AM): you can link to it from a reply to their post
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:31:14 AM): you'd type in something like...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:31:18 AM): Course Website Overview / Video
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:31:35 AM): yes, but some were having problems with computers--lab managers said so
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:31:43 AM): yeah; problem
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:31:54 AM): so it is hard to know which ones didn't watch or were having tech problems
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:32:04 AM): every year, typically, they get better; but there's always a handful
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:32:15 AM): maybe survey?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:32:20 AM): confidentially?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:32:32 AM): if they watched the video?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:32:54 AM): well, I know someone played it for them but no guarantee they paid attention
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:33:00 AM): nods
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:33:16 AM): well, meanwhile, they're not bad writers
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:33:21 AM): reading their intros...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:33:26 AM): better than many of my students
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:33:38 AM): I will tell them you said so...
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:33:51 AM): but a few really have language intereference problems
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:33:54 AM): definitely; feel free to give Carter Drummond my email address
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:33:55 AM):
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:34:02 AM): yes, I should imagine so
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:34:04 AM): which they mention in their intro
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:34:11 AM): that they have lived here for only so many years
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:34:22 AM): so, many high schoolers
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:34:26 AM): all
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:34:39 AM): I ever show you that book about high school and college?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:34:44 AM): no
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:34:50 AM): one sec
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:34:58 AM):
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:35:08 AM): I reviewed this book...
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:35:28 AM): good?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:35:31 AM):
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:35:35 AM): yes, work reading
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:35:48 AM): talks about the intersections between hs and first-year
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:36:27 AM): will have the secretary order it
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:36:29 AM): anyway; your students interested in speaking with college freshman?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:36:38 AM): probably...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:36:41 AM): I'm teaching a course beginning a week from today...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:36:43 AM): new freshman
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:36:59 AM):
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:37:02 AM): they'll have blogs
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:37:12 AM): about 18 or so students
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:37:54 AM): if there's an interest there, perhaps we can ask them to interact some
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:38:14 AM): the one writing assignment they do is this: what are the 3 things you need to know when you start college
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:38:24 AM): might be useful to your group
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:38:39 AM): yes, that would be interesting. I'll ask them
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:39:18 AM): I'll be interested to see their learning autobiographies
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:39:49 AM): interesting feature there--notes
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:39:58 AM): yes
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:40:01 AM): sort of self-reflective note taking for each person...
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:40:02 AM): haven't tried it
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:40:08 AM): students have access to that?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:40:13 AM): yes
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:40:18 AM): could be helpful--just to get them writing
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:40:26 AM): generative
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:41:19 AM): I'm doing a second 7000 with another student this semester...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:41:21 AM): Nedim Yel
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:41:29 AM): you remember Sultan?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:41:33 AM): y
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:41:33 AM): her husband
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:41:43 AM): anyway, his study will be over video, specifically
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:41:53 AM): if there's a way he can help you with video development in some way
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:41:58 AM): might be useful
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:43:07 AM): so Linda Ramon is your TA?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:43:18 AM): no, we were trying those settings
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:43:24 AM): to see what was available
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:43:27 AM): ah; auditors, etc.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:43:29 AM): interesting
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:43:30 AM): am not that lucky, unfortunately
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:43:33 AM): auditors
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:43:34 AM): are
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:43:39 AM): sometimes TAs are more work
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:43:39 AM): lab managers at the HS
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:43:42 AM): ah, nice
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:01 AM): so, this gives this comp credit at the college level
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:44:11 AM): yes
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:44:16 AM): second 9 weeks CompII
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:18 AM): do they take 1302 through you too?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:20 AM): ah
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:44:24 AM): no someone else
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:24 AM): nice
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:27 AM): oh
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:44:29 AM): thank goodness
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:37 AM): but through TSTC
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:44:37 AM): could not handle this schedule all semester
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:44:40 AM): y
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:41 AM): nods
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:44:44 AM): my faculty
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:44 AM): good for them
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:44:59 AM): sounds like a good program
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:45:08 AM): have to get the other faculty member to use Vista
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:45:18 AM): yeah, lots of menus under course tools, etc.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:45:27 AM): y
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:45:29 AM): student view gives them only a few
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:45:33 AM): ah, good
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:45:42 AM): H--for hiddlen
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:45:45 AM): from student
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:45:57 AM): well, surely after you've taught it once, you'll really be able to pitch it well
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:46:06 AM): yeah, that narrows it down
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:46:30 AM): will you do live office hours for them?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:46:33 AM): I taught this class using blackboard last fall
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:46:33 AM): via chat?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:46:42 AM): office hours yes
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:46:42 AM): I like BB better than WebCT, personally.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:46:48 AM): nice
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:46:57 AM): via the Vista chat
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:47:27 AM): they all have problems
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:47:38 AM): do you have some sort of writing center there?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:47:38 AM): but blackboard was interesting
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:47:40 AM): nods
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:47:45 AM): no writing center
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:47:54 AM): will have a tutor working with my students
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:47:57 AM): starting next week
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:47:58 AM): wonder if a set of handouts, etc. could be build in -- could be shared across sections
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:48:03 AM): ah, useful
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:48:10 AM): yes, using the repository
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:48:31 AM): or the template
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:48:43 AM): nods
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:49:11 AM): well, while I understand how you're a perfectionist and like everything just so, sometimes trial and error and learning while doing is useful
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:49:23 AM): I was really impressed by Vista's webdav tool
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:49:24 AM): you'll find success this semeser
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:49:29 AM): but may not end up using it much
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:49:32 AM): ah
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:49:46 AM): good grade book
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:49:54 AM): I am not a perfectionist
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:49:55 AM): tracking interesting
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:50:00 AM): right
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:50:16 AM): selective release is great
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:50:31 AM): gives more of an interactive appearence
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:50:57 AM): You should see my office and you would become convinced
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:51:04 AM):
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:51:06 AM): I had to get rid of selective release for now
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:51:17 AM): until all students are accessing smoothly
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:51:27 AM): well, if there's ever an occasion to come down and talk to instructors, lemme know. SIU went very well.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:51:44 AM): sure; in the future though, selective release could be very helpful
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:51:47 AM): what exactly did you talk about...?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:52:12 AM): you are offering to come talk to my instructors?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:52:14 AM): I spoke about portfolios, validity/relibility, grading techniques, scoring guides, visual design...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:52:22 AM): pay my gas, sure
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:52:24 AM):
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:52:31 AM): ah, too expensive...
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:52:35 AM): yeah
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:52:36 AM): indeed
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:52:53 AM): their program is larger than TTU's
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:52:58 AM): 3500 freshman
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:53:12 AM): well, you are more than 500 miles so you qualify as an expert
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:53:15 AM): that is large
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:53:36 AM): something about bringing in an outsider
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:53:39 AM): helps sometimes
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:54:00 AM): have you been keeping up with BB's lawsuit?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:54:07 AM): no
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:54:08 AM): trying to patent "course management"
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:54:10 AM): crazy
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:54:16 AM): didn't know there was one
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:54:25 AM): yeah; won't be successful
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:54:35 AM): that is pretty broad
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:54:35 AM): but one never knows; amazon patented "one-click"
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:54:39 AM): sure
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:54:49 AM): they want to name/words?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:55:10 AM): nods; it's a way to starve off webct, basically
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:55:36 AM): well, isn't Vista blackboard owned now
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:55:44 AM): or WebCt that is
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:55:46 AM): yeah, I like that note tool in vista
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:55:52 AM): nods
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:55:58 AM): the ms of cms
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:56:20 AM): response I got from my CompI site
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:56:36 AM): "well, if you can do that why are we paying so much money for Vista?"
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:56:44 AM):
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:57:02 AM): vista is almost worth it for the gradebook
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:57:04 AM): and quizzes
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:57:24 AM): depends if you quiz, I usually don't
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:57:27 AM): but one can put together a chat, a newsboard, video, etc. pretty easy
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:57:40 AM): yeah; cms saves money when it comes to facdev
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:57:43 AM): and student training
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:57:44 AM): depends who the "one" is
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:57:46 AM): true
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:58:26 AM): I have to revisit syllabus to see what else I need to complete
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:58:32 AM): but I had a questions about the Biblio
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:58:40 AM): k
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:58:40 AM): is it just a list of works I have read
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:58:47 AM): y
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 11:58:48 AM): or ...does it require other things?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:58:50 AM): n
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:58:56 AM): simple = better
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 11:59:07 AM): these might later play into your exams reading list
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:00:12 PM): we never discussed the UDL book, right?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:00:27 PM): do we need to do that sometime?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:00:41 PM): or is applying concepts enough?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:00:51 PM): we've done alot of discussion about that?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:00:57 PM): yes, when you're ready. We did talk about part of it I believe.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:01:07 PM): just keep working on your course.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:01:20 PM): maybe in a month ago we can re-focus on some lit.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:01:31 PM): but, I think getting the semester going for both of us is wise
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:01:49 PM): I will be pretty busy next week with the start of coures here so maybe we can just discuss course progress
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:02:19 PM): sounds good
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:02:30 PM): okay, thusdays, 11am
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:02:36 PM): IM work best?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:02:41 PM): yes, that is good for me
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:02:45 PM): k
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:02:45 PM): yes
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:15 PM): well, keep it up--interesting work. What grad course are you taking this Fall?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:03:19 PM): OK. Have to go see how registration is going.
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:24 PM): nods
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:03:24 PM): uh, research with Rickly
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:31 PM): ah, good one
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:35 PM): okay, later then
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:03:38 PM): did my name fianllly show on 7000?
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:41 PM): y
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:43 PM): yeah, you're set now
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:03:44 PM): good
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:47 PM): thanks
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:03:53 PM): thanks.. see you
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:55 PM): I mentioned that to Locke, too
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:03:58 PM): okay, waves
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:04:09 PM): will yu add this to blog?
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:04:13 PM): please
Rich Rice (8/24/2006 12:04:22 PM): sure; I'll remove the pword info
Janie Santoy (8/24/2006 12:04:27 PM): thanks

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